... In certain areas where the military used "special munitions" he said 200 sq m of soil was being removed from each blast site. These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid rich kids like George Bush? IIRC, all men aged 15-65 were not allowed to leave at all. Remember the MoA mob recovered some of the rewrite just as it was being cast down the memory hole. He is author of the book "The UNSCOM Saga: Chemical and Biological Weapons Non-Proliferation" (Macmillan, 1999). They may be used as the initial rounds in the smokescreen to rapidly create smoke or against material targets, such as Class V sites or logistic sites. "We have had some very important successes getting individual terrorists. Take a stand. Haji is something I'm sure the Americans came up with. Or are those McDonald's cheeseburgers too good to give up? And the idea is that you shake them out of their hiding place and then you can bake them or kill them with high explosives, having shaken them out with your white phosphorus. However, the intermixed HE rounds in each salvo mean doing so, 'breaking cover', results in extremely high probability of death by lethal shrapnel 'air-bursting' amongst the WP/napalm rounds. anyways, if you haven't received enemy fire from insurgents, I don't think you have a sense of reality of what's going on. That's disguised authoritarianism, if not pseudo-fascism. Or maybe he dies excruciatingly slowly in agony over days. Okay. But having Fallujah citizens come up and thank us after bombing the crap out of their city is probably one of the greatest feelings of accomplishment. Posted by: annie | Nov 11 2005 17:13 utc | 44. Posted by: Pat | Nov 10 2005 2:48 utc | 15. "The Americans were dropping some of the bodies into the Euphrates near Fallujah," said one ousted resident, Abdul Razaq Ismail. - according to Captain James T. Cobb, First Lieutenant Christopher A. LaCour, and Sergeant First Class William H. Hight, the authors of the article. Other common names include "WP", and the slang term "Willie Pete," which is dated from its use in Vietnam, and is still sometimes used in military jargon.As an incendiary weapon, white phosphorus burns fiercely and can set cloth, fuel, ammunition and other combustibles on fire, and cause serious burns or death. Some of us will stick it out Enough, if only because we have no alternative, but perhaps too because some of us feel that we must stick by our country and see it though hard times. My gut was telling me this was a troll when I saw the sobriquet, but the content is telling me another story. Yeah yeah civility encourages dialogue and usually I try and keep dialogue 'bubbling along'. How about you thank them for typing in the fucking english language. So while the war can, and ought, to be tried in the court of public opinion, it's extremely unlikely (let me say that again: unlikely in the extreme) to make it to court, if you know what I mean. Cause jeez 'Ali Baba' certainly aint gonna be stealing anything from my house, cause my house is just a big charred and empty crater. have you seen the video from the italian press. Posted by: Outraged | Nov 11 2005 19:06 utc | 57. i would imagine we would have some footage of the citizens coming up and thanking you for the searches. To conduct warfare with no thought to the pain and suffering inflicted, to use unconventional weapons which are less humane and less discriminate (killing more civilians) is morally repulsive, unethical, and rightly so, to most of the world. In any event, as I said in another thread, anonymity doesn't necessarily bother me and in many ways it keeps a lot of things clearer. I really don't see how demanding others to stop speaking their mind can serve anyone. lol, Posted by: Soandso | Nov 12 2005 0:50 utc | 87. If something to irretrievably undermine the official 9-11 mythology Posted by: Noisette | Nov 11 2005 19:44 utc | 60, people like dahr jamail & there are others, many others including those working for red crescent who are revealing to our world the nature of operations in all their soridd splendour, those who would like to hide the facts just double the crime because as in my lai - the truth has a way of exerting itself even in the darkest of circumstances, but people like dahr - help the truth along at great risk to themselves staying very far way from the green zone & the publicity machines of the empire, it is a moment in human history where the truth is needed out of all measure, (& in this regard noisette - i admire your posts but the inclusion the other night of a nazi site - does you or us no honour - the truth itself is so ugly we do not need the vagaries of vulgar anti semitism - the socialism of the stupid, the great majority of us are able to criticise fundamentally the policies of israel & their propogandist without reaching into the blood & mud of anti semitism), Posted by: r'giap | Nov 11 2005 19:52 utc | 61. Posted by: Fran | Nov 11 2005 18:47 utc | 53. I served with some of the finest men. Sites heard Staff Sgt. ", Would it be easier to believe if the following humanitarian organisation signed a statement including: “While many ordinary people were able to escape Fallujah before the latest attack started, there are still many thousands of civilians here” .... “There is an urgent need for the protection of civilians living in this battle-ground. I would just like to say fuck off Mr United States Marine, and fuck off the US of A. Now, I'm not sure if I undeerstand your question correctly. You make me sick.If you hate the United States government so much and their military, why don't you stop supporting them by not paying taxes? Outraged, that was my point: WP IS NOT CLASSIFIED AS A CHEMICAL WEAPON. No redeeming social value. Posted by: A United States Marine | Nov 11 2005 13:16 utc | 39. I'll be back home next year. Certain 'well known', widely used, 'chemical weapons' are specifically identified in three definitions schedules of the convention. "There's something to be said for a firm hand," he said. "It's been fairly disastrous," said Benjamin, who worked as a director for counterterrorism at the National Security Council from 1994 to 1999. "Purposes Not Prohibited Under this Convention" means: (c) Military purposes not connected with the use of chemical weapons and not dependent on the use of the toxic properties of chemicals as a method of warfare. Awesome. The BBC, UPI and Reuters are running it though ... hmmm ... Posted by: Outraged | Nov 10 2005 1:26 utc | 8. As far as the forced labor issue goes, I don't know when that's dated. So we shouldn't discount the notion mariney is a plant. This guy just seems to want to air his Weltbild and reads to me like many of the USGI's I have discussed things over a few drinks with. If the civilians were cleared out of Fallujah, then how do you explain multiple corroborated reports of up to 1/3 of the population being trapped, especially after the cordons were enforced and the city sealed ? ('Did' slaps hisself on back of hand and goes back to wondering if that rain pissin down outside is goin to stop for long enough to get a bit of fresh air). That bit takes the cake cause apart from the obvious like not being able to work a weblog. White phosphorus is fat-soluble and burns spontaneously on contact with the air. I mean, like i said though, some people(VERY few) thought it would be cool to stay back. It really does make one ashamed to be American. As a gunner, how can artillery 'Shake and Bake' fire missions be in any way considered 'precision' weapons, when the actual non-combatant occupants of a single building or for that matter a city block cannot be determined in advance ... only after the bodies are collected ? I mean it seems everyone knew that the first anniversary of the rape of Fallujah was coming around but the department of defence who may have been distracted by their attempt to get torture properly legitimised. The problem for empires fighting never ending wars on their periphery is that the empire cannot afford to prosecute the war to a victory. White phosphorus is made from a common allotrope of the chemical element phosphorus that is used in smoke, tracer, illumination and incendiary munitions. But there are accounts of children as young as four, and women and old men being killed.". Posted by: DM | Nov 12 2005 0:39 utc | 84, how could you say such a thing If we fight it as if "we right - you wrong" it serves only to raise the stakes. If paid killers don't like a sizable chunk of humanity considering them to be mercenary, murdering swine, the solution is really in their hands ie stop with the killing. these were due to phosphor bombs. What difference does it make what country an invader, rapist and murderer comes from once they're at someone else's place they are just a banal invader, rapist and murderer. UPP: Un Ponte Per As an unembedded journalist, I spent hours talking to residents forced out of the city. Anyone with a family to feed in the US knows what this term, properly "Shake 'n Bake, means. Specifically the rounds fired will be a roughly equal mix of High Explosive (HE) (various configuration and fuse settings) and White Phosphorus (WP) rounds intermixed on the target. On additional thought. These chemicals as weapons are not weapons for killing. ", Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 16 2005 0:29 utc | 97, "Published on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 by the Independent / UK, 'I Treated People Who Had Their Skin Melted'. You have the nerve to question those who took an oath to give up for their lives for the protection of your country? This album contains photos taken by the military of dead men in Fallujah. Oh, and if the billiions for the reconstruction of Iraq had created jobs and acceptable conditions for Iraqis (clean water, electricity, basic and free clinics as existed before, fields full of green, fruit, dates, to mention just a few things...) , there might -just might- be no ‘insurgency’ today. Nevertheless I doubt I will ever be travelling to the US again so I'm more careless than I could be. I will not support you in any way. After about 15 to 20 minutes let it sit still after you shake it, watching the solvent ,that is now a healthy grey chocolate milk looking sob.Let it sit still for 3 to five minutes watching at the top of the solvent line for the solvent to clear up.. Others said the plan was based on US tactics that worked in postwar Germany. From there some well-read grunt (irony alert) undoubtedly coined the phrase Ali Baba which was at least an attempt to find common cultural references by the dominant and at that time probably jubilant us troops. The U.S. pulling out is going to begin the process of stabilization in Iraq as well as be the first move to give Iraqis true sovereignty. An up close look at the M110A1 WP shell, with the impact of the shell. That said I also take onboard comments about the concern when moving through airports that have been expressed and even if I don't share that concern I now recognise the concerns of others. Agreed. Was Fallujah declared a free fire zone, if it moves it's a valid target, even though non-combatants were still within the city ? I didn't say I didn't know what one was, I said I'd never heard one being called over the hooks. If you wish to use copyrighted material for purposes other than "fair use" you must request permission from the Warning:These are extremely graphic images posted simply to show the true face of war. some marine with a name who is proud of his service and not afraid to identify himself i would truly appreciate a dialogue with. what kind of marine would leave negative@negative.com as an address? Posted by: Outraged | Nov 10 2005 17:30 utc | 37. The ones the let out the infantile cry about protecting the oil ministries, yet continue to consume more petroleum products than they would need in 50 lifetimes. Shake vent etc. DM has nailed it. War isn't perfect. Currently, red and white phosphorus filled munitions are successfully being deployed in combat, especially in "shake and bake" missions in Fallujah. Don't even show me that image of the kid with the white flag. We report the opinion of Peter Kaiser, spokesman for the UN agency on the prohibition of the use, production, and storage of chemical weapons who was asked by Maurizio Torrealta if White Phosphorous is a prohibited substance... (Translation of the video published here beside the text) Remember that those commanding our troops, the officers, have careers on the line. Thanks for your civil and illuminating observations, precious though paradoxical given the abominations under discussion. Posted by: Outraged | Nov 10 2005 3:20 utc | 19, Agreed. @A United States Marine Don't fly the falacy 'flag' of them being the 'mandated' conformist beliefs of all who have served or are serving still. Posted by: A United States Marine | Nov 11 2005 17:19 utc | 45, i & others here also have sources close to the ground & the account you give seems to me very far from the truth, i don't know what you saw, how you saw it but from the evidence you offer here your eyes were looking elsewhere, we have here blogs from marines who fought there & who offere evidence far removed from your own, so i'm afraid i personally do not believe your 'objectivity', i have experienced american firepower directly & it is nowhere near as clinical as you describe, we have other vets who have fought with the u s marines here & their experience too is very far removed from your own, Posted by: remembereringgiap | Nov 11 2005 17:25 utc | 46, I don't like giving out my e-mail cause I have enough spam already. A troll would be here to start a fight and disrupt the flow of information; a plant would be here to lead the conversation and take names. NZers were bombarded with images of staunch Brits standing up to the Blitz where lots of incendiaries were dropped on civilian areas. . Do US soldiers 'indoctrinated' attitudes = Ubermenschen ? But now the U.S. armed forces describe themself how they did use white phosphorous as direct effect ammunition against people in Fallujah. to kill, incapacitate or maim) as is the explicit intent of 'Shake and Bake' fire missions is in breach of the actual intent of the CCW and specifically Para 9 (c). The IRC estimates that at least 60% of those killed in the assault of Fallujah are women, children and elderly. And I hope to God that they didn't go outside. Respectfully suggest you reread the CCW block-quotes re my 9:29 PM post. Their objections aren't moral, though. He had smuggled some tapes out of the city before his gear was taken from him by US soldiers. According to globalsecurity.org: "The burns usually are multiple, deep, and variable in … “And then this turns into a real goddamned war.”. Shake 'n' bake I can't believe this is a story from my hometown paper!!! The civilians were cleared out of fallujah. Posted by: Enough | Nov 11 2005 20:47 utc | 65, it is & remains an illegal war of occupation where all methods are being used & experimented including those that crash through international law & conventions with alarming velocity, so sordid has been this occupation & its many faces have included false flag operations, a reasoned history of such operations would leave little doubt that such things as death squads, targeted assassination, penetrated opposition grous, agent provocateurs etc etc are well within the limits of possibility & for my part feel that they are indeed probable, the bombings in jordan can be any number of things - it can be an extending of operations by the resistance - tho that this point that seems the least likely, it is the responsibility of a manipulated group which is 'owned' by the occupation forces, it is an intelligence operation directly coordinated by the occupation, nothing is too far fetched because all these possibilities exist & have existed with evidence during this immoral war & we have enough evidence from other interventions that it is well within the realms of possibility, i would like to believe that pat's army is an honest broker but i feel in the end they are tools of mad foreign policy just as ther german armies were complicit in a mad foreig policy & deliberately participated in illegal actions knowing they were illegal (this is very true in relation to the'commissar order' for example where there was great division in the general staff in particular on the question of legality), all efforts that try to bring light where only darkeness exists are cause for hope & for that dahl ought to be thanked by larger communities, Posted by: r'giap | Nov 11 2005 21:59 utc | 66, ample recent evidence has been provided by our own outraged & stan goff for example in haiti & i would strongly suggest his book on that subject that can be bought through counterpunch, interesting book just published from a colloque on the fabrication of the jihad which is a very nasty piece of neocon work, Posted by: r'giap | Nov 11 2005 22:08 utc | 67. And in the end, a impact of multiple HE shells and the initial WP shell. WASHINGTON, Nov 1 (Reuters) - U.S. terrorism experts Daniel Benjamin and Steven Simon have reached a stark conclusion about the war on terrorism: the United States is losing. It's kind of hard to imagine that someone would be FORCED to stay in when all the leaflets told you to get out. Maybe there was a party somewhere that I wasn't invited to cause I didn't see 1/3 of the civilians there. I can't help but notice that there are few if any declared followers of Islam hanging about MoA and while there are many reasons for that (most particularly why would they care about what we think/say), I can't help but feel while that is the case we don't have too much to concern us about agent provacateurs. "A large number of people including children were killed by American snipers," according to the Independent (U.K.). Posted by: Outraged | Nov 11 2005 13:31 utc | 40. Anyways, I'm done rambling now. should come along and "get traction", then reform might be possible, but absent that "miracle" it will very likely be business as usual with an occasional spasm of righteous indignation directed at external enemies rather than the filthy traitors in command. Sitting in November last year in a refugee camp in the grounds of Baghdad University, set up for the families who fled or were driven from Fallujah, this resident of the city's Jolan district told me how he had witnessed some of the battle's heaviest fighting. And the guilt/grateful trip shyte is purile when used as a device to support your, 'opinion'. Nicholas Bogert, 22, of Morris, N.Y. Bogert is a mortar team leader who directed his men to fire round after round of high explosives and white phosphorus charges into the city Friday and Saturday, never knowing what the targets were or what damage the resulting explosions caused. so this is going to have to do. Negative, I was in the FDC a good portion of the time and at no point heard any talk of Shake 'n Bake. ... HE Rounds have a 50 meter kill radius. But IF THE TOXIC OR CAUSTIC PROPERTIES OF WHITE PHOSPHOROUS are used as a weapon, then it is prohibited. Unequivical enough ? I'm not sure what watchlists are but I agree that one should be careful in any forum such as this where such contentious issues are being discussed. 7,000 motherfuckers died for your sorry ass at Iwo Jima ALONE. How many of them were non-combatant civilians ? US) public. Waving white flags and then opening fire is a crime. I am pleased to see that the mask of civility is starting to drop when engaging 'the us marine'; a nom de plume which reeks of exceptionalism. I agree with Outraged way upthread that the active media suppression is a very, very important issue here - because, unless it ends, it means that even overwhelming evidence will not deter the perpetrators. @ Pat, Outraged and all contributors to this thread. White Phosphorous: our friend "Willy Pete". We used it for screening missions at two breeches and, later in the fight, as a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes when we could not get effects on them with HE. 90% ? There's a zillion like you out there and they're not stictly fauna amerikanus I have found them in all corners of the globe and have learnt that engaging with them before they open their eyes is pointless. Its interesting how this "gets traction", after being "known" (and I confess) forgotten by those who were interested even at the time. Still didn't stop me from being provoked by allegation that this murdering was being done for me and my country tho. In the December 1994 battle for Grozny in Chechnya, every fourth or fifth Russian artillery or m… Col Venables just confirmed it. "And I am too old to worry about whether they like it or not. Posted by: RossK | Nov 10 2005 7:00 utc | 21. As with all incendiary ordnance its use is limited exclusively to military objectives. Would it be easier to believe if the following humanitarian organisation signed a statement including: “While many ordinary people were able to escape Fallujah before the latest attack started, there are still many thousands of civilians here” .... “There is an urgent need for the protection of civilians living in this battle-ground. Negative, I still have my R.O.E. And if a troll has tricked you into feeding it, it gets a big gold star and you get egg on your face no matter how "justified" your reaction to what it said was. Yep I suppose if I annoyed someone sufficiently they could seek some sort of redress on my own 'turf' but I just don't believe that is likely enough to get me to trim my mainsail. You ungrateful motherfucker. Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 12 2005 0:18 utc | 79. @Hannah K. O'Luthon 'Sand niggers' and 'ragheads' ... PS Is anyone fluent in Italian and able to translate the following ? For publication of Global Research articles in print or other forms including commercial internet sites, contact: [email protected]. The opposition, whoever that is, is going to have to do the difficult and generational work of developing fundamental foreign policy alternatives. Some saw what they thought were attempts by the military to conceal the use of incendiary shells. You really have no clue about the world around you. Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 11 2005 22:27 utc | 68. The phrase reminds of the fragments of Thai, middle aged drunken sex tourists pick up and use around Patpong . i wish i could say time is on our side, unfortunately thousands(millions?) & on veterans day - what would you like to thank your fellow vets for - the illegal interventions in panama or grenada, the absolutely inhumane complicity in the massacres & misfeance in haiti, would you like to thank them for training latin american dictators, or would you like to thank them yet another illegal war in south east asia where more than 3million lost their lifes. @A United States Marine In addition to its offensive capabilities, white ph… That means that you can't shoot anyone on sight. Then when the ordinary people living their ordinary but to them valuable lives didn't fully comprehend the absolute cruelty of what was to be unleashed on them, mistakenly chose not to leave everything they owned behind; got 'shaked and baked', some facile fool tries to justify it by saying it wasn't me, it was the army. Posted by: DM | Nov 12 2005 0:14 utc | 78. I'll move on with it when the last soldier occupying Iraq moves on. @monolycus "I just had a horrible epiphany earlier about the watchlists. But I know they got paid. Posted by: A United States Marine | Nov 11 2005 17:34 utc | 47, A United States Marine:"Negative, I was in the FDC a good portion of the time and at no point heard any talk of Shake 'n Bake". What we have here (and we've had here for awhile) is a basic misunderstanding of how the Armed Forces operate - that is, with a legion of lawyers and miles and miles of doctrine, regulation, and SOP. Millikin, 21, from Reno, Nev., and Alexander, 23, from Wetumpka, Ala., quickly made the adjustments. Welcome to our virtual bar. 1/3 is a VERY high estimate. Everyone around here is very polite. Decisions, decisions . Smokes obscure vision and are used to hide troops, equipment, and areas from detection. I know, that when I look back in my life and think of something that I did was worthwhile, I will be able to say that I served not just in the US Armed Forces, but in the United States Marines. "Men of military age were particularly vulnerable. If either were in any real danger I'm more than prepared to go and take care of it myself. I've typed this long enough, and it will just be lost in the endless sea of webforums. Posted by: Soandso | Nov 11 2005 22:29 utc | 69, my drone, as you call it, soandso, is as nothing compared to the constant drone that can be heard in every city of iraq - that of bombardements, & on veterans day - what would you like to thank your fellow vets for - the illegal interventions in panama or grenada, the absolutely inhumane complicity in the massacres & misfeance in haiti, would you like to thank them for training latin american dictators, or would you like to thank them yet another illegal war in south east asia where more than 3million lost their lifes. One Marine shot an illum round from his M203 into the front of a truck because he didn't stop. Debs is dead. bake” missions at the insurgents, using WP to flush them out and HE to take them out. “Gun up!” Millikin yelled when they finished a few seconds later, grabbing a white phosphorus round from a nearby ammo can and holding it over the tube. When the rigid finger of blame that forever points outward completes the cycle and points back to the self, where the the answers to the collective agony originate... in each individual...where the correction of our own failures starts and our compliance with the collective crimes are faced... then we will truly reach the tipping point. Sure he jerks your chain, but at least try and see where he's coming from: it is a rock to stand on, that cannot be allowed to crumble under any conditions...and yet geeezus it is crumbling! Their origins are irrelevant. Further to my previous posts ... back 'then' they were just being 'good Germans' ... now are we complicitly being 'Good Americans' ? (function(i,s,o,g,r,a,m){i['GoogleAnalyticsObject']=r;i[r]=i[r]||function(){ So the marine may be genuine and not some pentagon inspired attempt to slam the barn door after the horse has bolted. If however it is used in virtue of its toxicity to strike Posted by: Outraged | Nov 16 2005 1:04 utc | 99, Posted by: Outraged | Nov 16 2005 22:17 utc | 100. This is why the Geneva Conventions and rules of warfare, the Laws of War, were created and exist. All wars expose the worst of human nature, so move on with it! Such awareness needs to be incorporated into the training of all future members of the scientific and technical professions. In addition there is every chance that this taker of human life, believes his/her own bullshit. Just whores. An explosive, perhaps a shell or grenade; seems excessive, but intended at least to kill. There was a sense of nostalgia and commenting on how much things have changed. I just think that if they don't like a story, they just don't invite the reporter back. Some Marines don't like the idea of using forced labor in Fallujah. WASHINGTON (AFX) – The US today defended the use of white phosphorus munitions against insurgents in Iraq last year but denied civilians were targeted. I think it is important, very important, to remember the level of information domination, that was levelled at the Fallujah operation. she remembered they had fires in her town in germany which would burn for a week or so because they were not able to put them off. Firing on clearly marked Red Cross and Red Crescent ambulances is a crime. I doubt that even the equivalent of a Tet offensive in Vietnam would now be sufficient to break the trance. The occupation apparently has high hopes for these measures. Bogert yelled, as Millikin dropped it. A few years later when the world was treated to the image of a naked Vietnamese or Cambodian child running screaming covered in napalm it occurred that we were seeing this image because the victims weren't whitefellas. Stopping a pregnant woman's vehicle and then shooting her is a crime. erhaps you would like to thank them for the folly that was korea. Let's just deal with what's in front of us... and so far, we're doing that pretty well. I'll be honest, you can't. Plain ol' non-lethal CS, for instance, is classified as a chemical weapon, and subject to more restrictions than WP. White phosphorous used on the civilian populace: This is how the US "took" Fallujah. My freinds and I are planning to buy billboard space and we will continue to write.... Posted by: Enough | Nov 10 2005 2:18 utc | 12. We are not just Whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and fear in our hearts. However, the convention explicitly details that they are not exclusive of any form of toxic chemical re warfare/combat usage. The first picture I ever saw like that was as a child staying with an aunt and uncle. What was your MOS ? The RAI explanatory article 'on the record ', 'sand niggers ' and 'ragheads ' widely. 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